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#6164 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 1:19am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
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Hi everybody,
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A french guy makes a new dock, and implements a very interesting feature (I don't know the name in Engish sorry : in French "carrousel" ).
IMHO, it may be a very good solution for the launchers. It let put many launchers in "small" place.
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This is the originally mockup (from the english ubuntu forum):
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This the screenscast, the french guys did :
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What do you think about ?
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#6165 by Ago (0.3066) posted on 1:23am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
Cool, but you need a mousewheel ;)
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#6166 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 1:25am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
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Ago said:
Cool, but you need a mousewheel ;)
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No. If you put the mouse on the right, the icon "scroll" on the right, and same idea for the left.
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EDIT : you are right, we NEED a mousewheel. Sorry, I didn't read correctly the code.
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#6167 by Ago (0.3066) posted on 1:32am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
DO you have a link to an homepage, or a thread on a forum?
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(même en français, ça ira :D)
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#6168 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 1:34am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
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- Tiens un autre francophone ;)
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- Oh, another french people ;)
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#6169 by Ago (0.3066) posted on 1:35am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
thanks :)
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#6170 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 2:33am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
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Ago said:
Cool, but you need a mousewheel ;)
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Maybe, if this solution is implemented, we can use arrow instead of mousewheel.
The arrow can be on the bottom, or on the right and left.
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#6171 by dskw (1.0000) posted on 2:52am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
To tell the truth: I don't like that idea.
You can only see a small amount of icons in the launcher and this would make things like plugins, applets and any kind of visual change of an icon impossible.
It's good for a launcher bar but not for a dock thats going to replace th gnome-panel (IMO ^^)
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BTW: Is the screenshot a mockup? If not, how did he get those previews of the viewports on mouse over and the big wireless info entry?
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#6175 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 4:07am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
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dskw said:
To tell the truth: I don't like that idea.
You can only see a small amount of icons in the launcher and this would make things like plugins, applets and any kind of visual change of an icon impossible.
It's good for a launcher bar but not for a dock thats going to replace th gnome-panel (IMO ^^)
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I understand. I wonder how to put more launchers, nad more tasks in the bar => we need a solution, something to "compress" the display or anything else. For example, when I use the dock, sometimes some part are out of the screen.
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I don't agree on one things : "any kind of visual change of an icon impossible" => why it is impossible ? a right click, and change icon like now, all the icon are not draw immediatly, it would be easy to get modified icon
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dskw said:
BTW: Is the screenshot a mockup? If not, how did he get those previews of the viewports on mouse over and the big wireless info entry?
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Yes, it's a mockup originaly in the ubuntu forums (ubuntuforums.org)
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#6176 by gilir (0.9999) posted on 4:11am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
nicolas2b54 said:
I understand. I wonder how to put more launchers, nad more tasks in the bar => we need a solution, something to "compress" the display or anything else. For example, when I use the dock, sometimes some part are out of the screen.
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+1
If you have too many launchers + open windows, the dock become very big (very smal if it shrink :))
I think it can be an option for the launcher/task manager, the line or the circle :)
And a new french dev for AWN, this could be cool :)
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#6177 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 4:16am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
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IMO the best idea is a coverflow like : I love it. but I fear that coverflow is patent and so do something like it isn't allow :(
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#6178 by StrangeQuark (0.3926) posted on 5:17am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
It looks cool, but it's not very functional. It takes too long to get to the launcher you want. I wouldn't use it. Fitts' law and all...
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#6180 by pavpanchekha (1.0000) posted on 6:17am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
All the guessing about whether or not its illegal or patented is stupid. Just send an email to Apple's legal. We might as well know the truth right from them. Who knows, maybe they don't car (And I use coverflow for the ComFus Shift plugin. (Don't come after me, Apple lawyers!)
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#6184 by dskw (1.0000) posted on 8:10am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
nicolas2b54 said:
I don't agree on one things : "any kind of visual change of an icon impossible" => why it is impossible ? a right click, and change icon like now, all the icon are not draw immediatly, it would be easy to get modified icon
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I meant that you won't see these visual changes if an icon is in the rear end of that icon circle where it's not visible.
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#6201 by asomething (0.9744) posted on 11:15am Saturday, August 11th, 2007
I installed with:
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./autogen.sh
make
sudo make install
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Then get this running in the terminal:
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andrew@andrew-laptop:~$ eevo
Erreur impossible d'ouvrir le fichier config !
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
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Any ideas? Should I have used ./configure?
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#6206 by jawbreaker (0.2982) posted on 10:13pm Saturday, August 11th, 2007
asomething said:
andrew@andrew-laptop:~$ eevo
Erreur impossible d'ouvrir le fichier config !
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
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The problem is that it looks for the config file in the same directory as the binary. Try this...
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./configure
cd src
./eevo
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Now the problem is, for me at least, it "loads" a bunch of stuff, but is never displayed.
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#6207 by jawbreaker (0.2982) posted on 10:43pm Saturday, August 11th, 2007
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Now the problem is, for me at least, it "loads" a bunch of stuff, but is never displayed.
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Ah. Fixed the paths in the config file and it loads... But it is only the icon switcher, not the panel =\ And it is only an app launcher. It doesn't manage tasks\windows
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#6216 by augur (0.1787) posted on 9:54am Sunday, August 12th, 2007
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Hi all,
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I'm the french guy who make this dock and i have the same problem than you "How to draw many icons in a small place ?" my solution is good for the size of the dock but have problem for find launcher when there's many icons inside, my last solution for resolve it is a second dock and you can switching between, look at this video ->
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hope you like this concept
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see you
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#6222 by searayman (1.0000) posted on 5:18pm Sunday, August 12th, 2007
this is kind of liek my cover flowish idea...but just circular...
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#6248 by ninjastance (0.2738) posted on 8:05am Monday, August 13th, 2007
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I personally don't like coverflow since it gets confusing when there's a lot of icons being smushed to the edge. This idea is a little better, but I don't know if it's faster than me just clicking the thing I want on the dock without waiting for the wheel to spin to where the icon i want is. With a second row for your tasks, I'm afraid it'll take just too long to get where I want.
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#6284 by AndrewGene (0.5968) posted on 8:11pm Monday, August 13th, 2007



This is awesome! I like that you can click on an application (like you did for movies) and your movies come up to scroll through. You might make the radius of the circle a bit bigger though to show more icons. Maybe instead of a circle you could make it an ellipse so as to show more icons at once.
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#6296 by AndreCB (0.1719) posted on 3:44am Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
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honestly i don't like this features, :P
but its just me
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#6300 by morbidous (0.9063) posted on 6:06am Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
Don't get me wrong, this dock is really neat and impressive but, in a usability stand point, It's not really good. Being able to see all your icons at once is really something that most users expect from a dock.
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#6301 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 6:10am Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
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morbidous said:
Don't get me wrong, this dock is really neat and impressive but, in a usability stand point, It's not really good. Being able to see all your icons at once is really something that most users expect from a dock.
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Yes, I agree for the open task. But for the lauchers, how to display many without go out of the screen.
And, if we use a carrousel or something like that, we can dispaly 4 or 5 icon at the same time not one, and so it's fast to see all of the lauchers.
Of course, we must keep ALL the task icon display et the same time.
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#6313 by searayman (1.0000) posted on 9:34am Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
morbidous said:
Don't get me wrong, this dock is really neat and impressive but, in a usability stand point, It's not really good. Being able to see all your icons at once is really something that most users expect from a dock.
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unless you have a small screen and or a crap load of launchers...
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#6314 by searayman (1.0000) posted on 9:35am Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
nicolas2b54 said:
Yes, I agree for the open task. But for the lauchers, how to display many without go out of the screen.
And, if we use a carrousel or something like that, we can dispaly 4 or 5 icon at the same time not one, and so it's fast to see all of the lauchers.
Of course, we must keep ALL the task icon display et the same time.
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maybe we coudl have a caroseel on on ehelf the dock for the launchers but when soemthing is launched its moved to the other side as a task... this coudl look really messy, but i bet someone coudl think of a pleasent way to make this look....
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#6332 by morbidous (0.9063) posted on 12:38pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
nicolas2b54 said:
Yes, I agree for the open task. But for the lauchers, how to display many without go out of the screen.
And, if we use a carrousel or something like that, we can dispaly 4 or 5 icon at the same time not one, and so it's fast to see all of the lauchers.
Of course, we must keep ALL the task icon display et the same time.
That would be a solution but, in my opinion, we could come up with better ones if we brainstorm on the possibilities.
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I had this idea for months and even commented on it on Neil's blog and he replied me he was working on a solution similar to mine but better.
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What I have in mind is something like this:
Show only tasks and applets on the Avant Window Navigator and have the launchers hidden on "the other side of the dock". When you want to launch an app, simply use some keystrokes or click in a small icon on the dock itself that flips the dock horizontally displaying the launchers that were on the other side and hiding the tasks and applets side. After clicking on a launcher, the dock would flip back to the side where the tasks and applets are.
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PS: Sorry about my English, btw...
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#6333 by Decline (0.9207) posted on 12:49pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
morbidous said:
What I have in mind is something like this:
Show only tasks and applets on the Avant Window Navigator and have the launchers hidden on "the other side of the dock". When you want to launch an app, simply use some keystrokes or click in a small icon on the dock itself that flips the dock horizontally displaying the launchers that were on the other side and hiding the tasks and applets side. After clicking on a launcher, the dock would flip back to the side where the tasks and applets are.
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Hey that's actually not a bad idea. Although I think it should flip vertically, like if the icons are hidden (hanging) beneath the dock, then you just flip it.
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The pros are it saves space and probably would look pretty neat. The cons are the user would have to click one time extra, and if you have the launchers visible, you wouldn't notice anything happening in the notification field etc.
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#6334 by augur (0.1787) posted on 1:05pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
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Hi all,
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And what you think about this solution we can see all icons in the same time...
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#6335 by morbidous (0.9063) posted on 1:07pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
Decline said:
Hey that's actually not a bad idea. Although I think it should flip vertically, like if the icons are hidden (hanging) beneath the dock, then you just flip it.
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It was a typo... I meant to say vertically. :P
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Decline said:
The pros are it saves space and probably would look pretty neat. The cons are the user would have to click one time extra, and if you have the launchers visible, you wouldn't notice anything happening in the notification field etc.
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The extra click is what upset me, as well. But concerning the notification area, I think that a timeout for flipping back to the tasks and applets view if the user do not have the dock focused could work. Don't you think?
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#6336 by Decline (0.9207) posted on 1:12pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
augur said:
And what you think about this solution we can see all icons in the same time...
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Well it's better than the regular blurred version. But I still like it better when all the icons are listed up so I have control over what happens at all times, if you see what I mean?
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As for me, I would like either to have it like awn today, which resizes the icons, but better coded (and now, if it resizes, all custom icons become standard) - or a new solution which makes it easy for me controlling both applets and launchers and open apps at the same time, and crystal clear. I'm not a huge fan of using blur like that...
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#6337 by morbidous (0.9063) posted on 1:12pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
augur said:
Hi all,
And what you think about this solution we can see all icons in the same time...

Nicolas
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This is really impressive! And could work really well for a launcher bar. But, again, I think that it's not an effect that can be used on a dock like AWN because of it's taskbar and applets.
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But maybe that's just me, eh?
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#6338 by topherfangio (0.1776) posted on 1:14pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
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I like the idea of grouping the icons so that you don't have so many on the dock. You could have common icons set or you could create a group of icons that when scrolled over popped up another dock-like item (much less animated) that would give you access to the other launchers.
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Once grouped, you could have the notifications happen by bouncing the group icon and/or rotating the group icon between it's default and the icon of the application with the notification.
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I will see if I can come up with a mock up after I get off work ;-)
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EDIT Come to think of it...couldn't this be implemented as an applet similar to the stacks applet?
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#6340 by StrangeQuark (0.3926) posted on 2:34pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
Grouping launchers will be possible (or maybe it already is with the latest version?) with the stacks applet!
You('ll) just have to use a directory with .desktop files as the backend-folder.
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#6341 by topherfangio (0.1776) posted on 2:35pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
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Ooh...good point :D
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#6343 by AndrewGene (0.5968) posted on 3:01pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
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Okay I really suck at gimp but just wanted to put these two things together to prove a point. First off just ignore the icons as they are. Say that the white firefox icon in AWN is my media player icon. Then, when that icon is clicked the icon is associated with a certain folder (e.g. Movie folder). Then all of your movies will show up in that circular dock above the media player (in this example the white firefox) icon. Sort of like the stacks folder is now but you actually click on the icon itself.
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Let me know if i need to clarify something...
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#6346 by searayman (1.0000) posted on 3:23pm Tuesday, August 14th, 2007
morbidous said:
What I have in mind is something like this:
Show only tasks and applets on the Avant Window Navigator and have the launchers hidden on "the other side of the dock". When you want to launch an app, simply use some keystrokes or click in a small icon on the dock itself that flips the dock horizontally displaying the launchers that were on the other side and hiding the tasks and applets side. After clicking on a launcher, the dock would flip back to the side where the tasks and applets are.
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nah i dont like the extra click....
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I think cover flow woudl solve this problem perfectly. You could choose how many things you would want "facing you" and you coudl easily scroll through the thing son your dock. But since the ones not facing you are still somewhat visible, if a notification happened they could still jump up....just they woudl be on an angle and you then scroll to it.
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#6364 by nicolas2b54 (0.9206) posted on 12:49am Wednesday, August 15th, 2007
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morbidous said:
What I have in mind is something like this:
Show only tasks and applets on the Avant Window Navigator and have the launchers hidden on "the other side of the dock". When you want to launch an app, simply use some keystrokes or click in a small icon on the dock itself that flips the dock horizontally displaying the launchers that were on the other side and hiding the tasks and applets side. After clicking on a launcher, the dock would flip back to the side where the tasks and applets are.
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It's an interesting idea, but I will take some time to flip the dock, It can be bad for the usability.
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augur said:
And what you think about this solution we can see all icons in the same time...
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I love this new video, with all the icon.
There is an advantage, if a notification happen, we blur/color/spotlight/anything else the good icon, and in the same time, we scroll the circle, so the user know what icon need attention during he is waiting
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topherfangio said:
I like the idea of grouping the icons so that you don't have so many on the dock. You could have common icons set or you could create a group of icons that when scrolled over popped up another dock-like item (much less animated) that would give you access to the other launchers.
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StrangeQuark said:
Grouping launchers will be possible (or maybe it already is with the latest version?) with the stacks applet!
You('ll) just have to use a directory with .desktop files as the backend-folder.
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AndrewGene said:
Okay I really suck at gimp but just wanted to put these two things together to prove a point. First off just ignore the icons as they are. Say that the white firefox icon in AWN is my media player icon. Then, when that icon is clicked the icon is associated with a certain folder (e.g. Movie folder). Then all of your movies will show up in that circular dock above the media player (in this example the white firefox) icon. Sort of like the stacks folder is now but you actually click on the icon itself.
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Sorry, but I don't like these ideas of container or menus/sub-menus.
It's because there are lot of extra click (if we click on the wrong menu for example). There is also the problem that we really don't see all the icon.
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I think cover flow woudl solve this problem perfectly.
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Yes, but we need use the libglitz librairie, and I don't know how to use it. Does anyone know ?
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#6366 by tehkain (1.0000) posted on 1:44am Wednesday, August 15th, 2007
I like it but it is not for me. If only 'stacks' in AWN were implemented this way. Fusing them is probably impossible but it would be awesome. just mouse over a folder in awn and spin the mouse wheel.
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#14999 by davim (0.9996) posted on 1:21am Tuesday, October 30th, 2007
I like this idea
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#15005 by aantn (0.9829) posted on 3:06am Tuesday, October 30th, 2007
The cover flow idea sounds cool.
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Lots of projects have copied apple's ideas and not a single on has been sued (as far as I know). One of M$'s mice even comes with an expose like program.
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#15010 by davim (0.9996) posted on 4:00am Tuesday, October 30th, 2007
this would be a good thing to implement as a sub-dock, like th ones in cairo-dock
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#15051 by medeshago (0.1848) posted on 10:45am Tuesday, October 30th, 2007
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I would like to see that like an applet. It would be really useful if I could put there the applications that i don't use that often. I wouldn't put there Firefox, Pidgin or Thunderbird, but i would put there something that I use once a day or less. Nice idea for an applet; awful idea for a dock.
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#15061 by davim (0.9996) posted on 11:34am Tuesday, October 30th, 2007
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I would like to see that like an applet. It would be really useful if I could put there the applications that i don't use that often. I wouldn't put there Firefox, Pidgin or Thunderbird, but i would put there something that I use once a day or less. Nice idea for an applet; awful idea for a dock.
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#15069 by Timon (1.0000) posted on 11:50am Tuesday, October 30th, 2007
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I would like to see that like an applet. It would be really useful if I could put there the applications that i don't use that often. I wouldn't put there Firefox, Pidgin or Thunderbird, but i would put there something that I use once a day or less. Nice idea for an applet; awful idea for a dock.
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Little howto:
you can put launchers inside a stacks applet.
Browse (with nautilus) to /usr/share/applications/
Drag every file you want on a freshly created stacks (meaning-> a stacks with a filebackend) and voila!
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(the applet is not as polished as can be, but I am working on it)
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Now that you guys came up with this, I might even try to get our "real" launchers to be in a stack...don't know if that is possible.
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